From:  SqueakyBrown   1/6/2005 2:15 pm  
To:  ALL    
 
  929.1  
 
SOME BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS GOD???????????
WHO BELIEVES THIS??????????????
Those Who Worship In The Flesh
In Ro 9-1,8 it explains that those who believe that Jesus is God are those who worship in the flesh not in the Spirit.
Paul explained it like this. He said he had great sorrow and continual grief in his heart over these people. He said it bothered him so much that according to his flesh and the way he felt, he could almost wish he were accursed from Christ for his brethren.
These are the Israelites, that should be receiving the promised massiah, but they believe that Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. But its not that the Word of God has taken no affect. For they are not all going to believe this. But these that believe it are not the children of God.

Rom 9:1-8

1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,
2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart.
3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh,
4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises;
5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."
8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.
(NKJ)

Those who believe that Jesus is God use verse 58 as evidence in the "I Am" delusion. They dont look at the context of the I am statement. The conversation was over a two day period. And it started in John 7-39 these people didnt have the Holy Spirit they were worshiping in the flesh not in the Spirit. And the question was is this man the Christ. And Jesus answered them a number of times. Jesus said "I Am He" and when they got to the point of stoneing Jesus to death Jesus was in the middle of " I Am" and they picked up the stones and you can see in verse 59 Jesus got out of there.
John 7:39-41
39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
40 Therefore many from the crowd, when they heard this saying, said, "Truly this is the Prophet."
41 Others said, "This is the Christ." But some said, "Will the Christ come out of Galilee?
(NKJ)

John 8:24
24 "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
(NKJ)

John 8:28
28 Then Jesus said to them, "When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.
(NKJ)

John 8:58-59
58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."
59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
(NKJ)


Those that believe Jesus is God also try to make a defense out of the "are one" delusion. 
Just because the statement "are one" is in there doesnt mean Jesus is God. If that statement makes Jesus God then the next statement makes us God also. Which we know this is not true.
The "are one" statement has to do with being one in agreement.

John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)

John 17:21-22
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
(NKJ)

I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
(NKJ)

The whole Godhead. Are those who are in total agreement with God. The Godhead consists of God the Father, Jesus the Son who is in total agreement with the Father, and the Holy Spirit who is in total agreement with the Father. And that agreement is evident in the Word. 

Col 2:9-10
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power.
(NKJ)

Rom 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
(NKJ)

God came up with the Word, Jesus only spoke the Word, and the Holy Spirit only quotes the Word. That is the Godhead. 

John 12:49-50
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
(NKJ)

The Word is written in two covenants.The old covenant(testament) and the new covenant(testament). Satans throne was and is in the old testament. Jesus laid it down in many different ways. Dont go by the old testament, stay away from the old testament. If you accidentally or on purpose keep any part of the old testament you are subject to the whole entire thing. Jesus was point blank in John 10 when He said "All who ever came before Me" but if that isnt good enough look in Gal 4and 5. Abraham had two sons, verse 24 this is symbolic of the two testaments. Now look in verse 30 "cast out the old testament". And if that isnt good enough what about 2John. If you dont abide in the doctrine of Christ, you won't find the word Christ in the old testament. If you dont abide in the doctrine of Christ you dont have the right God.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)

Gal 4:22-5:4
22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise,
24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar--
25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children--
26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written: "Rejoice, O barren, you who do not bear! Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor! For the desolate has many more children than she who has a husband."
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.

CHAPTER 5

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(NKJ)

II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
(NKJ)

The people that believe Jesus is God are those who worship in the flesh with their carnal reason and logic. These are not the children of God. These are not those who worship in the Spirit. 
 
 From:  David (DavidABrown)     1/7/2005 11:18 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (2 of 22)  
 
  929.2 in reply to 929.1  
 
Hi SqueakyBrown,


According to you: Jesus is not God yet Jesus was born of a Virgin Birth He preformed Miracles, Redeemed mankind and Resurrected from the dead.


All this and much more you seem to ignore or refuse to acknowledge.


For more information regarding the Divinity of Jesus please see.

 

www.BasicChristian.org/biblicalproof.html


God Bless you,
David A. Brown



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  From:  Bob (hioo)   1/7/2005 1:43 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 22)  
 
  929.3 in reply to 929.2  
 
And David this person ignores the scripture that Lord Jesus said, "I and the Father are One". 

These people try to rationalize that this is a figure of speech because we see Jesus but we don't see the Father. Or they think that Lord Jesus and the Father are kindred spirits. That is true to a point. 

But Lord Jesus KNOWS words. He KNOWS how important they are. He KNOWS the proper use of them and He KNOWS when to use the literal or the allegorical understanding of the words of His choice. Most of the time Lord Jesus used the literal meaning of the words He spoke.

So when He says "I and the Father are one", that is EXACTLY what He means. There are several alternative selections the Lord Jesus could have made to mean any number of other things, but NO, He chose this particular set of words.

One thing people have to quickly acknowledge, Lord Jesus chooses His words carefully for this is the way He does it. This choice of words was no accident, they were deliberately chosen to convey a specfic thought. If any person knows that words mean things, it is Lord Jesus.


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  From:  SqueakyBrown   1/7/2005 4:40 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (4 of 22)  
 
  929.4 in reply to 929.3  
 
TRINITY EVIDENCE FALSE
Everything that the trinitarians claims makes Jesus God. Are the same things we can do also. And it doesnt make us God. Trinitarians have tried to form a belief on circumstantial verses, not factual verses. And they base their belief on principles that are not even in the Word of God. A Believer bases all their beliefs on what is written, not on what is not written.

Matt 20:22-23
22 But Jesus answered and said, "You do not know what you ask. Are you able to drink the cup that I am about to drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?" They said to Him, "We are able."
23 So He said to them, "You will indeed drink My cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with; but to sit on My right hand and on My left is not Mine to give, but it is for those for whom it is prepared by My Father."

Circumstantial Verses
Circumstantial verses are verses that can be used either way. As in this one,(My Lord and my God) The word and can be used to separate Lord and God, it can also be used to bring them together as one. Now as John was addressing Jesus at this point John knew and believed that God was also in Jesus. So in his attempt to address them both he was addressing "My Lord Jesus Christ, and also my God the Father that dwells in You.

John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
(NKJ)
Factual Verses
In the factual verses, they can only be taken one way, with no variations. So the carnal mind has to pervert the factual verses in order to believe the circumstantial verses. The factual verses explain the circumstantial verses. As in this one, "One God the Father". The Father is the one God. But if you read one you see there is also one Lord Jesus Christ, which explains why John said it the way he did. 

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
(NKJ)

THE DIVINITY(DEITY) OF CHRIST 
Acts 17:29-30
29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.
30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,
(NKJ) 
2 Pet 1:4
4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
ONLY GOD CAN BE WORSHIPPED (WE CAN AND WILL BE WORSHIPPED) 
Rev 3:9
9 "Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-- indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
THREE IN ONE GOD, ONE GOD IN THREE 
Everything that separates trinitarians from Christians comes from out side of the scriptures. Trintiy, deity, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. 
Eph 4:6
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Cor 8:6
6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.


The apostles even said. Yet for us there is one God the Father.
Christians believe there is one God the Father. 
Trinitarians always start with questions, this is how they deceive. 
2 Tim 2:23
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.
(NKJ)
THE 'ARE ONE' DELUSION
WE ARE ONE WITH CHRIST AND GOD AND HOLY SPIRIT
IF JESUS IS GOD BECAUSE OF THE ONENESS-THEN WE ARE GOD. NOT SO! 
John 10:30
30 "I and My Father are one."
(NKJ)
John 17:22
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
I Jn 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
1 Cor 12:12-14
12 For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-- whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free-- and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.
1 Cor 10:16-17
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we, though many, are one bread and one body; for we all partake of that one bread.
1 Cor 3:7-11
7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.
8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Rom 12:5
5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another.
John 17:20-23
20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word;
21 "that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
22 "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:
23 "I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
John 10:29-30
29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
30 "I and My Father are one."
Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Cor 6:17
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
Matt 10:32-33
32 "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven.
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.
1 Cor 11:1
1 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.
2 Cor 10:4-5
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts ...[Message truncated]
 
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   1/7/2005 5:02 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (5 of 22)  
 
  929.5 in reply to 929.4  
 
Well, Squeak, I see you have trundled your stuff over to this board in hopes of confusing more souls searching for or trying to learn about Lord Jesus and what He is all about. Well, your dust was settled over on Amy's board and it will be settled on this one also.

Folks, please don't take to heart what this person posts in his synopsis. His posting of scripture is fine as far as that goes. Nothing wrong with that, but I caution you to be very careful trying to tie the posted scriptures with the diatribe he uses in his synopsis. 

The last word here folks, please use an extreme amount of caution in your dealings with this person. And I KNOW Lord Jesus will chastize me severally if I am "lying" to you. 

Ybic Bob


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  From:  SqueakyBrown   1/7/2005 6:27 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (6 of 22)  
 
  929.6 in reply to 929.5  
 
then I suggest you get ready. 
  
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   1/8/2005 8:16 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (7 of 22)  
 
  929.7 in reply to 929.6  
 
How can I truly accept a "suggestion" from one who denies that Lord Jesus is divine? 

I KNOW I am within the palm of His hand. It is enough.


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  From:  SqueakyBrown   1/8/2005 10:15 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (8 of 22)  
 
  929.8 in reply to 929.7  
 
ok 
  
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  From:  amym38     1/9/2005 2:26 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (9 of 22)  
 
  929.9 in reply to 929.6  
 
Watch yourself, Squeaky.

 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)     1/13/2005 1:20 am  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (10 of 22)  
 
  929.10 in reply to 929.9  
 
Hi Bob,


Squeaky is trying to present an impressive rant but it goes nowhere.


I dont think Squeaky has walked on water lately or raised the dead.


My trust is in Jesus and I am very confidant and comfortable with my life and eternity in the very capable, caring, and loving hands of Jesus. 


Because Jesus is God!!


God Bless you,
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   1/13/2005 7:03 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 22)  
 
  929.11 in reply to 929.10  
 
David,

Something was placed on my heart about him and a couple of others that have been on Amy's regular board. It is this, Squeaky HAS to assume and believe that none of us have the Holy Spirit within us for him and his co-horts to carry on as they do. So in effect (assuming Squeaky has his share of the Holy Spirit within him), Squeaky is placing the Holy Spirit in a position of having to argue with Himself. I am referring to the Holy Spirit within him confronting the Holy Spirit within us.That is just NOT going to happen. 

Further, this causes frustration, confusion and the "bickering" that goes on these boards between in this case Squeaky and the other posters. 

I said as much in a post on Amy's board, David, and she agrees that in effect these people are trying to get God to argue.

It isn't going to happen. And thus the never ending "argument and bickering" not only on your board, but others as well. 

Ybic Bob


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)     1/14/2005 5:48 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (12 of 22)  
 
  929.12 in reply to 929.11  
 
Hi Bob,


I was never under the impression that Squeaky has the Holy Spirit.


Someone with the Holy Spirit rejoices in calling jesus God and in submitting to Jesus as God.


It is only apart from the Holy Spirit that Squeaky can blaspheme the way it does.


I do agree with you!! God does not argue with Himself.


God Bless you,
David



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  From:  Bob (hioo)   1/15/2005 7:03 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 22)  
 
  929.13 in reply to 929.12  
 
I am so glad you said that, David. 

I to, never felt that he had the Holy Spirit within him. But I am apparently naive enough to feel that I would be "judgmental" by saying so. But since you said it, and now I have said it....where two brothers in Christ are in agreement so also is Lord Jesus. 

It is becoming more apparent than ever to me that the two things that born again Christians must acknowledge and accept, is God's sovereignty, and the residence of the Holy Spirit within each born again believer. Without these two things, all other things are vacuous and literally as the bible says "foolishness" to those WITHOUT THE HOLY SPIRIT RESIDING WITHIN.

Once again the bible displays the God given wisdom in its' words.

Ybic Bob

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-17 7:05 am  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (14 of 22)  
 
  929.14 in reply to 929.13  
 
You two amaze me. You place so much value on your own opinions. In all your human wisdom you band together and make excuses for one another. The Holy Spirit only quotes verses. So do you all prove you know the Holy Spirit or just band together against Him?

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

In all your human wisdom you have fallen so short.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-17 1:58 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (15 of 22)  
 
  929.15 in reply to 929.14  
 
One thing we MUST give you "credit" for Squeak, is persistence. Both in being wrong and in coming back.

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-17 3:44 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (16 of 22)  
 
  929.16 in reply to 929.15  
 
The Lord usually brings me back after a time just to see how others try to justify themselves. It is a great learning experiance. It also teaches me the definition of blind.

Matt 13:13-15
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.'
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-17 4:06 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (17 of 22)  
 
  929.17 in reply to 929.16  
 
But it doesn't teach you WHO is afflicted by it(blindness). And I KNOW you don't mean David, Amy or myself. So you MUST be referring to someone else. 

I said "hi" in my first post and I extended that "hi" to this one. Now I will say "later on". Trading posts with folks such as yourself as like trying to nail jello to a tree. Totally futile. An exercise in wasting time. Time better spent doing other things. 

Later on, Squeak

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-19 4:27 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (18 of 22)  
 
  929.18 in reply to 929.17  
 
Bob you said
like trying to nail jello to a tree. Totally futile. 

I said
And yet you keep trying. Persistant??????
 
  
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-19 5:15 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (19 of 22)  
 
  929.19 in reply to 929.18  
 
If you notice, I wasn't speaking to you, Squeak. I was trying to apprise a fellow Christian of what he is getting into by trying to "debate" you.

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   From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-20 8:48 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (20 of 22)  
 
  929.20 in reply to 929.19  
 
you said

If you notice, I wasn't speaking to you, Squeak. I was trying to apprise a fellow Christian of what he is getting into by trying to "debate" you. 

I said
Thats ok, I know what you were trying to do. The Lord knows what you were trying to do. Dont worry about it, I'm not offended.
 
  
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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-17 7:05 am  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (14 of 22)  
 
  929.14 in reply to 929.13  
 
You two amaze me. You place so much value on your own opinions. In all your human wisdom you band together and make excuses for one another. The Holy Spirit only quotes verses. So do you all prove you know the Holy Spirit or just band together against Him?

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
(NKJ)

In all your human wisdom you have fallen so short.

1 Cor 2:4-7
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-17 1:58 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (15 of 22)  
 
  929.15 in reply to 929.14  
 
One thing we MUST give you "credit" for Squeak, is persistence. Both in being wrong and in coming back.

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-17 3:44 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (16 of 22)  
 
  929.16 in reply to 929.15  
 
The Lord usually brings me back after a time just to see how others try to justify themselves. It is a great learning experiance. It also teaches me the definition of blind.

Matt 13:13-15
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.'
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-17 4:06 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (17 of 22)  
 
  929.17 in reply to 929.16  
 
But it doesn't teach you WHO is afflicted by it(blindness). And I KNOW you don't mean David, Amy or myself. So you MUST be referring to someone else. 

I said "hi" in my first post and I extended that "hi" to this one. Now I will say "later on". Trading posts with folks such as yourself as like trying to nail jello to a tree. Totally futile. An exercise in wasting time. Time better spent doing other things. 

Later on, Squeak

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-19 4:27 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (18 of 22)  
 
  929.18 in reply to 929.17  
 
Bob you said
like trying to nail jello to a tree. Totally futile. 

I said
And yet you keep trying. Persistant??????
 
  
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-19 5:15 pm  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (19 of 22)  
 
  929.19 in reply to 929.18  
 
If you notice, I wasn't speaking to you, Squeak. I was trying to apprise a fellow Christian of what he is getting into by trying to "debate" you.

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  From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-20 8:48 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (20 of 22)  
 
  929.20 in reply to 929.19  
 
you said

If you notice, I wasn't speaking to you, Squeak. I was trying to apprise a fellow Christian of what he is getting into by trying to "debate" you. 

I said
Thats ok, I know what you were trying to do. The Lord knows what you were trying to do. Dont worry about it, I'm not offended.
 
  
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  From:  Bob (hioo)   Feb-21 6:26 am  
To:  SqueakyBrown   (21 of 22)  
 
  929.21 in reply to 929.20  
 
Squeak,

You surprize me! Don't you realize I am trying to assist a fellow Christian to guard AGAINST debating you?


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   From:  SqueakyBrown   Feb-21 2:42 pm  
To:  Bob (hioo)   (22 of 22)  
 
  929.22 in reply to 929.21  
 
you said
You surprize me! Don't you realize I am trying to assist a fellow Christian to guard AGAINST debating you?

I said
From debating or just discussing?
 
  
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